MSNBC is reporting that the shooter was a Muslim male...major in the army with two other suspects possibly helping him. He is now dead and 12 soldiers are also dead.
While there certainly is no love loss between myself and Muslim males, the reaction to this (as Ed has already demonstrated) is, sadly, going to be predictable.
Try him for treason and hang the bastard. He broke the bonds of fellowship, he killed his enlisted men and brother officers. He is the lowest of the low, traitor and murderer. God damn him and his cowardice.
I don't CCW frequently--maybe once a week--but given that this event happened at what one would expect to be one of the safest places in America, the thought occured to me
that I should carry more frequently in the future. This thing could have just as easily happened at any grocery store, mall or movie theater in America.
The next time you're in Home Depot and "make" somebody's CCW weapon as he leans over for some bolt or paintbrush from the lower shelf, that'll be me.
Not armed on bases located in CONUS or outside of active combat zones. You aren't even allowed to have personal weapons. If you own some they have to reside in the armory and you have to get permission from you CO to remove them for range time or events. You can on your personal time go to the armory to clean you weapons, but they hold the same hours as the rest of the base so chances are you won't get to handle them very often.
No Our armed forces are not trusted with weapons unless they are in combat or training. The paranoia levels in this day and age are too high.(not a justification, just an observation)
"Hirābah is an Arabic word for “piracy”, or “unlawful warfare”. Hirabah comes from the root hariba, which means “to become angry and enraged”. The noun harb means “war” and/or “enemy.” One who commits hirabah would be a hirabi."
Fucking scum. This is horrible, but I can't say I'm surprised.
No, soldiers are not allowed to carry on base, or even possess firearms except in post married housing (if they're registered with the PMO). Some commanders try to force soldiers to register all their guns, even if they live off post and never bring them on base. My last company commander tried to do that. The military is NOT gun friendly.
I used to carry on base occasionally, like when I was getting ready to finish my MEB and get out and I had to pack all my stuff for shipment up north. I was on and off post five times a day, so I just carried everywhere. I got caught once, because there was a reported shooter in the barracks (not me, I got frisked coming out by some civilian post cop), and I got arrested and held and all that jazz. Nothing came of it because my battalion commander didn't care, and I was getting out in three days anyway. It was amazing how many people asked me 'why would you carry a loaded gun?!!?!?'
He will be tried by Court Martial for a capital offense, for which the proper sentence is death by firing squad, not hanging. Unless they've gotten all soft these days.
Interesting, it would seem that hanging was actually the sole official method as of 1961. It was changed later to the electric chair, but that was never used. Now it would be death by lethal injection. There is one person sentenced to death by court-martial from the Iraq war, but he's yet to be executed.
Soldiers can't be armed off post in the US? Then what, pray tell, is the point of having soldiers? How can you "support and defend" without a goddamn weapon!
I'm absolutely amazed at this. When I see soldiers in uniform I just kind of assume that their rifles are in the truck or something. Jesus Christ, you mean they have to be in uniform and thus a target, but they can't be armed while doing so. Do you mean to tell me that I am better armed in public then a sworn soldier of the American armed forces?
That's absolutely insane. I mean, it's completely and totally crazy not to trust soldiers with guns.
For off post carry State law applies.
I myself carried daily off post in Washington State, as I had a permit. Even a state like Hawaii allows carry off post if on official duty.
Only on base is carrying concealed off limits.
NOTE: Allowing concealed carry is up to the base commander. It's not a blanket restriction codified into Federal Law.
However, allowing CCW on base is not conducive to one's promotion chances in today's zero defect officer corps, therefore it is verboten.
Some bases in more friendly locales do offer a place to check your piece when you go to work. At my former base NAS Whidbey Island, you could do that at Security, which was outside the gate.
The full, official name is "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University" (at least, that's what MY diploma says) (Thank you, Marshall Hahn...).
Some folks finally recognized that it was a bit too much for ordinary use, and so the more colloquial name “Virginia Tech” is what’s commonly used. As the football team became more widely known, the athletic department adopted it as the standard…..
Mr. Ripley:
"Some folks finally recognized that it was a bit too much for ordinary use, and so the more colloquial name “Virginia Tech” is what’s commonly used."
I'm not normally one to believe in curses, but after:
-2006 shooting of police officers by an escaped prisoner (and former Tech student)
-2007 mass murder by Tech student of Tech students and faculty
-2009 beheading by Tech student by Tech student
-2009 murder of camping Tech students
-2009 mass murder by Tech alumnus
...it's really hard for me to think otherwise at this point. When I was there the worst thing that happened was a pedestrian killed by someone DUI.
Ed,
Personally, I wouldn't place this act as hirabah, as I see it as more in line with jihad. He's yet another muslim protecting the umma from those who would attack it.
Sorry, Ed, I found out in between comments yesterday that some people I know had family down at Ft Hood who were injured pretty severely and I just thought it inappropriate of me to be a political rag. I'm still kind of in that mode right now.
But I will say this. Now that we know it was only one person involved, how long do you suppose it will be before those magic four letters come up? He certainly had access to the medication.
Yeah, maybe the radical Islamic who praised suicide bombers, the Little Rock recruitment center shooter, and identified himself as a Palestinian just coincidentally was on SSRIs.
Anything's possible. To me though, this is a rather open and shut case of sudden jihad syndrome.
With all due respect to your friends, they are suffering because of an idea put into action. That is why we engage in the battle of ideas here and elsewhere. Running away from that battle when those ideas bear evil fruit — as at Fort Hood — only allows those ideas to go back into hiding until they reemerge in more destroyed lives.
Your friends' suffering could have been avoided. They are suffering because people like you willingly turn a blind eye to ideas which are demonstrably evil. And more people will suffer if you, and others like you, continue to refuse to see the obvious truth.
Hey guys, good news. The people I was talking about are all OK. The one we were all worried about...shot three times...made it through surgery. Not out of the woods yet but he's a tough fucker, I'll give him that. His mom (my friend) had problems raising him her whole life so it's no surprise that he pulled through...probably just out of spite to yell at her more:)
Ed, you will get no argument from me regarding the threat we face from hirabis. They have no regard for human life and there will never be any reasoning with them. I'm not certain that this was Hassan's motivation, though. I know the police are searching his apartment and I am reasonably certain they will find SSRIs there. The question is...will it come out on the news? So much advertising is tied up with all the news media in relation to Big Pharma...I'm certain they will downplay it.
Not only do US soldiers not carry issue weapons off duty (and even then, only when the duty REQUIRES a weapon. . . and even THEN, with live ammo ONLY in a combat zone, on teh firing line of an official range, or other duties -- like MPs or "special weapons" guards -- that require live ammo), but they cannot generally have personal weapons when on duty or on base.
There was one commander in Alaska who banned the OFF DUTY, OFF POST carry of weapons by soldiers, even when they were in full compliance with Alaska state law.
I do have to admit to a certain relish in the idea that he hated women and thought himself so above them... (Reportedly: He refused to be photographed with them, and was unable to even get a date through a muslim dating site because of his requirements.)
And then a woman came in and stopped him cold, outshooting him 4 to 1.
I still think that, and the ambush turned by the reserve women a few years ago should be front and center in our ME propaganda:
Don't fuck with Americans. Or we'll let our Women Kick Your Ass.
"a certain relish in the idea that he hated women and thought himself so above them."
This would be an excellent example of where I part ways with my colleagues on the left. For whatever reason, they seem to excuse sexism...sorry...misogyny when it comes from Third World countries. I know I will get hoot and hollers for this one but I am a big believer in sacred feminine power. Most Muslim men shit all over this and to say that it offends me is the understatement of...forever.
Actually, it's not just Muslim men. I recently participated (as a researcher) in a study regarding suicide around the world. In most parts of India, if a man dies the woman is expected to kill herself. If she can't muster that, she is to become the slave of the man's family. For whatever reason, many of my friends on the left excuse this or (argh!) even DATE fucks like this. And then they turn around and rip more conservative leaning people for saying a woman's place is in the home. Fucking hypocrites...
Sorry, I got off on a tangent but I just needed to get that out. The unhinged male rage of Muslim men is about at the top (if not the top) of things that aggravate the fuck out of me. It's a bias, I know, but I'm only human.
In most parts of India, if a man dies the woman is expected to kill herself.
Reminds me of the Napier quote, albeit he was speaking to Hindus:
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
(Ha! My field of study and where I grew up.) That tradition in India is tied to the Dowry that a woman is expected to bring with her to the arranged marriage. Among modern middle-class Indians I've heard about lately, the "negotiations" over what the bride WILL bring can get pretty intense - like the demand for big-screen TV's and stereo amplifiers and more.
All of this is based on perceived status. "Unsuccessful" negotiations have caused arranged marriages to break-up.
It's also religiously motivated and tied to status. 90% of Hinduism is status-based and performance oriented, revolving around Ritual Purity and Cleanliness. Since women are expected to marry-up they come to the relationship from a lower position of status than men, and their subjugation is rationalized based on that. Similarly a boy-child is more valuable than a girl child and there's been a technological rush to use the sonogram to determine an infant's sex and enable "decision making" like abortions.
All objects (and many people) are tied to Purity and Status - and as are assets they can be purchased for a fee and arrangements can be made to improve your Status the way a gardener tends the grounds.
But unless the man she marries has a pair of real brass ones, she still becomes subjugated to the wishes of her mother-in-law, and Indian boys are brought-up treated like little Raja's and are serious momma's boys, so the wife gets the shaft pretty much anyhow.
In her defense she might have a brother (or a pair of brothers) who can help her negotiate a better living arrangement during her lifetime - but generally speaking and in rural areas in particular she becomes the mother's servant and water-carrier. Literally.
The whole death-scene thing is that the surviving family doesn't want to have to feed an unproductive old mouth - and that's where the practice of Suttee originates.
The old widow knows that without her husband/protector she'll be neglected and abused - and so she throws herself on the funeral pyre. In the past, as this was considered a high-status display and thing-to-do, frequently the surviving family "assisted" the old lady in ascending the pyre, even if they had to go hunt her down and tier her up.
The British in their awful horrible Colonial mismanagement took offense and ended the formal practice, but it still continued(s) voluntarily in rural areas far from the District Magistrate and Big Babu's of the Civil Service.
Markadelphia:
"Sorry, I got off on a tangent but I just needed to get that out. The unhinged male rage of Muslim men is about at the top (if not the top) of things that aggravate the fuck out of me."
But very few that I've met that don't have an ugly basketful of "dick issues"...apparently so did the intubated puddle of pigshit Major Hasan.
Can't get trim with a M.D. and a long-term career?
LOSER.
Of course, the Bedouin practice of consanginous arranged marriages and the brutal oppression of their lucky ladies would tend to make them utter social retards...as well as slight inbred mongoloids addicted to furtive homosexual buggery.
Face it, the Prophet, (pbuh), had no GAME whatsoever.
T'ain't none of this healthy at all, so they end up indulging in brutal gang-rapes or going self-splodeydope and killing everyone in the blast range.
Taken literally, the Koran and the Bedouin culture enshrined in it seems almost like a manual to produce violent, slightly retarded faggots, with persecution-complex attitude problems.
Kevin, he doesn't want to understand or overcome his bias. He wants to wallow in guilt about it without actually changing his views (no surprise there of course).
Many's the young man who has closed his eyes and started the mantra "Oh, God, oh, God, oh, God. . . ", especially when receiving that "decadent Western" oral attention. . .
"Ed, you will get no argument from me regarding the threat we face from hirabis."
By the time Marxy posted this limp-wristed evaluation of the shoe smear that shot up Fort Hood, it was already well known that he was a devout, life-long Muslim. But by using the word "hirabi" again, Marxy is trying to downplay it.
What I find totally ironic that Marxy claims that conservatives are "just like Al Qaeda" because… well… apparently because we disagree with the Great and Wonderful Wizard of Thought, otherwise known as Marxy. (And this despite the already demonstrated fact that Al Qaeda says the same things as the left.) But when it's discovered that the turd who decided to kill soldiers (by violating the rules of war) is a Muslim who is faithfully following the example set by Mohammad himself, Marxy goes out of his way to minimize the fact that the shooter actually is "just like Al Qaeda".
Face it Marxy. The "jihad" taught by the Koran was practiced by Mohammed. And this evil shell of a human being was following directly in Mohammad's bloody teachings. Are you really going to try to make excuses for Islam and its true believers who REALLY ARE "just like Al Qaeda" because they ARE Al Qaeda even if they're not a card carrying member?!?
Since modesty in women has been virtually bred out of existence, I don't fault you for not understanding my "yuck." I'm one of those old fashioned women who prefers not to be privy to discussions of a sexual nature, especially in the presence of men. I'm not trying to dictate terms here, seein' as it isn't my blog; but I think I'm entitled to a "yuck" and maybe even a "blech" when one of my comments elicits that kind of discussion. So, y'all go ahead, I'm just going to cover my eyes from now on. :)
Ed, that was spot on, but it hardly matters given Gen. Casey's remarks on the matter. Diversity trumps everything. We're witnessing our own cultural suicide, and it's damn depressing.
My apologies Sarah, but it was actually meant to illustrate a point: Other than the ability to carry a child and the ability to make men act amazingly stupid by merely existing, I can't think of any "powers" women have that everyone else doesn't have in equal measure.
I'm trying to figure out which is the "sacred" one.
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Another disarmament zone massacre.
MSNBC is reporting that the shooter was a Muslim male...major in the army with two other suspects possibly helping him. He is now dead and 12 soldiers are also dead.
Hirabi attack or another SSRI deal? Maybe both...
SSRI? With 3 shooters? Not bloody likely!
HotAir.com has the best summary of what's known I've located yet:
"The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
…
According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam."
That last line says it all.
I think I'ma go cook supper for my boyos now, and pray for the souls of the dead.
Looks like hirabi attack at this point.
While there certainly is no love loss between myself and Muslim males, the reaction to this (as Ed has already demonstrated) is, sadly, going to be predictable.
And what "reaction" is that?
For the time being, I think I'm going to focus on my reaction of sadness at this loss.
Try him for treason and hang the bastard. He broke the bonds of fellowship, he killed his enlisted men and brother officers. He is the lowest of the low, traitor and murderer. God damn him and his cowardice.
"He" is already dead. Two others are captured. Three guesses as to their professed religion and the first two don't count.
Our guys have to get it right all of the time. They only have to be successful once.
Looks like the odds finally went against us.
I don't CCW frequently--maybe once a week--but given that this event happened at what one would expect to be one of the safest places in America, the thought occured to me
that I should carry more frequently in the future. This thing could have just as easily happened at any grocery store, mall or movie theater in America.The next time you're in Home Depot and "make" somebody's CCW weapon as he leans over for some bolt or paintbrush from the lower shelf, that'll be me.
"He" is already dead
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Oh I know. I still want him tried and hung. Charles II did it to Oliver Cromwell.
I do have a question. Are soldiers not armed at all times?
Are soldiers not armed at all times?
Not on bases outside the combat zones.
One of the Bradys' "Only Ones" (the military) not trustworthy with a gun???
Say it ain't so!!!!
And, of course, there's that whole "religion of peace" thingie again.
The shooter is apparently still alive. ..
Not armed on bases located in CONUS or outside of active combat zones. You aren't even allowed to have personal weapons. If you own some they have to reside in the armory and you have to get permission from you CO to remove them for range time or events. You can on your personal time go to the armory to clean you weapons, but they hold the same hours as the rest of the base so chances are you won't get to handle them very often.
No Our armed forces are not trusted with weapons unless they are in combat or training. The paranoia levels in this day and age are too high.(not a justification, just an observation)
UPDATE: Fox News had a phone interview with the shooter's brother, who stated that the shooter wasn't a convert, but a lifelong muslim.
Instapundit posts FBI info looking into muslim terrorcentric blog posts by the shooter, extolling the virtues of suicide bombers, jihad, etc.
If it looks like duck, etc.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
"For the time being, I think I'm going to focus on my reaction of sadness at this loss."
You commented on my reaction. Now you're trying to dodge the question about what you meant?
Oh, no you don't! I'm asking again:
And what "reaction" is that?
I'm amazed that no one has commented on this:
Marxy: "Looks like hirabi attack at this point."
I wasn't sure what "hirabi" means, so I followed the same rule I had pointed out to Marky earlier and looked it up. This is what I found:
Hirabah
"Hirābah is an Arabic word for “piracy”, or “unlawful warfare”. Hirabah comes from the root hariba, which means “to become angry and enraged”. The noun harb means “war” and/or “enemy.” One who commits hirabah would be a hirabi."
Fucking scum. This is horrible, but I can't say I'm surprised.
No, soldiers are not allowed to carry on base, or even possess firearms except in post married housing (if they're registered with the PMO). Some commanders try to force soldiers to register all their guns, even if they live off post and never bring them on base. My last company commander tried to do that. The military is NOT gun friendly.
I used to carry on base occasionally, like when I was getting ready to finish my MEB and get out and I had to pack all my stuff for shipment up north. I was on and off post five times a day, so I just carried everywhere. I got caught once, because there was a reported shooter in the barracks (not me, I got frisked coming out by some civilian post cop), and I got arrested and held and all that jazz. Nothing came of it because my battalion commander didn't care, and I was getting out in three days anyway. It was amazing how many people asked me 'why would you carry a loaded gun?!!?!?'
Gee. I wonder.
What's with all the hanging talk?
He will be tried by Court Martial for a capital offense, for which the proper sentence is death by firing squad, not hanging. Unless they've gotten all soft these days.
Sebastian, I surely do hope that the firing squad's aim is poor. Very poor.
Ought to take about nineteen or twenty volleys, what with all those poorly aimed shots making their way up from ankle height.
With .22 CB rounds.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Interesting, it would seem that hanging was actually the sole official method as of 1961. It was changed later to the electric chair, but that was never used. Now it would be death by lethal injection. There is one person sentenced to death by court-martial from the Iraq war, but he's yet to be executed.
See here
From Sebasitan's link:
"The sentence must be personally confirmed by the President of the United States."
Pardon me while I go swear a blue streak.
Soldiers can't be armed off post in the US? Then what, pray tell, is the point of having soldiers? How can you "support and defend" without a goddamn weapon!
I'm absolutely amazed at this. When I see soldiers in uniform I just kind of assume that their rifles are in the truck or something. Jesus Christ, you mean they have to be in uniform and thus a target, but they can't be armed while doing so. Do you mean to tell me that I am better armed in public then a sworn soldier of the American armed forces?
That's absolutely insane. I mean, it's completely and totally crazy not to trust soldiers with guns.
If you would like to help the families of the dead and wounded, here's the place to go:
http://www.soldiersangels.com/
For off post carry State law applies.
I myself carried daily off post in Washington State, as I had a permit. Even a state like Hawaii allows carry off post if on official duty.
Only on base is carrying concealed off limits.
NOTE: Allowing concealed carry is up to the base commander. It's not a blanket restriction codified into Federal Law.
However, allowing CCW on base is not conducive to one's promotion chances in today's zero defect officer corps, therefore it is verboten.
Some bases in more friendly locales do offer a place to check your piece when you go to work. At my former base NAS Whidbey Island, you could do that at Security, which was outside the gate.
Short break for nitpickery:
No such thing as "Virginia Tech University"... its full name is the Virginia Polytechnic Institute. 5 seconds of research, journos, that's all we ask.
End nitpickery.
One more nit.....
The full, official name is "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University" (at least, that's what MY diploma says) (Thank you, Marshall Hahn...).
Some folks finally recognized that it was a bit too much for ordinary use, and so the more colloquial name “Virginia Tech” is what’s commonly used. As the football team became more widely known, the athletic department adopted it as the standard…..
Mr. Ripley:
"Some folks finally recognized that it was a bit too much for ordinary use, and so the more colloquial name “Virginia Tech” is what’s commonly used."
For you folks from Other Lands, it's pronounced:
"VaJanYa Tek"
I'm not normally one to believe in curses, but after:
-2006 shooting of police officers by an escaped prisoner (and former Tech student)
-2007 mass murder by Tech student of Tech students and faculty
-2009 beheading by Tech student by Tech student
-2009 murder of camping Tech students
-2009 mass murder by Tech alumnus
...it's really hard for me to think otherwise at this point. When I was there the worst thing that happened was a pedestrian killed by someone DUI.
Ed,
Personally, I wouldn't place this act as hirabah, as I see it as more in line with jihad. He's yet another muslim protecting the umma from those who would attack it.
Here is an interesting review of how the MSM is treating this incident.
walkercolt,
That was Marxy's characterization, not mine. I would address it, but I'm still waiting on Marxy to explain what he means by my "predictable reaction".
Ed,
Sorry, I skipped over Markadelphia's comment and missed the origin.
Sorry, Ed, I found out in between comments yesterday that some people I know had family down at Ft Hood who were injured pretty severely and I just thought it inappropriate of me to be a political rag. I'm still kind of in that mode right now.
But I will say this. Now that we know it was only one person involved, how long do you suppose it will be before those magic four letters come up? He certainly had access to the medication.
Ed, thanks for the link. Try this for the lamest headline in the history of journalism.
A moot point given the changes in UCMJ punishments, but historically the firing squad was considered a "more honorable" death than hanging.
Several of the German military officers convicted at Nuremberg requested firing squads, considering hanging the realm of low class criminals.
So, hang the bastard, assuming we can't get impalment. On a short stake.
Markadelphia, please pass on wishes for speedy recovery to your friends.
Yeah, maybe the radical Islamic who praised suicide bombers, the Little Rock recruitment center shooter, and identified himself as a Palestinian just coincidentally was on SSRIs.
Anything's possible. To me though, this is a rather open and shut case of sudden jihad syndrome.
Markadelphia, please pass on wishes for speedy recovery to your friends.
Ditto.
Marxy,
You probably didn't watch this the first time I posted it, but you really must watch it to understand. Watch it before reading on:
Andrew Klavan — September 11, 2009
With all due respect to your friends, they are suffering because of an idea put into action. That is why we engage in the battle of ideas here and elsewhere. Running away from that battle when those ideas bear evil fruit — as at Fort Hood — only allows those ideas to go back into hiding until they reemerge in more destroyed lives.
Your friends' suffering could have been avoided. They are suffering because people like you willingly turn a blind eye to ideas which are demonstrably evil. And more people will suffer if you, and others like you, continue to refuse to see the obvious truth.
Hirabi? Bullshit!
Hey guys, good news. The people I was talking about are all OK. The one we were all worried about...shot three times...made it through surgery. Not out of the woods yet but he's a tough fucker, I'll give him that. His mom (my friend) had problems raising him her whole life so it's no surprise that he pulled through...probably just out of spite to yell at her more:)
Ed, you will get no argument from me regarding the threat we face from hirabis. They have no regard for human life and there will never be any reasoning with them. I'm not certain that this was Hassan's motivation, though. I know the police are searching his apartment and I am reasonably certain they will find SSRIs there. The question is...will it come out on the news? So much advertising is tied up with all the news media in relation to Big Pharma...I'm certain they will downplay it.
Three times? Yikes! I'm glad to hear he's out of the woods.
Oops, I goofed. Not "out of the woods", but "making good progress". I'll take some time to pray for him specifically.
Good news that.
Britt,
Not only do US soldiers not carry issue weapons off duty (and even then, only when the duty REQUIRES a weapon. . . and even THEN, with live ammo ONLY in a combat zone, on teh firing line of an official range, or other duties -- like MPs or "special weapons" guards -- that require live ammo), but they cannot generally have personal weapons when on duty or on base.
There was one commander in Alaska who banned the OFF DUTY, OFF POST carry of weapons by soldiers, even when they were in full compliance with Alaska state law.
Quote from NY Daily News report:
Cone said Munley's aggressive response training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter you will have less fatalities."
Kimberly Munley is the heroine who stopped the shooter.
I love that quote from the general.
I do have to admit to a certain relish in the idea that he hated women and thought himself so above them... (Reportedly: He refused to be photographed with them, and was unable to even get a date through a muslim dating site because of his requirements.)
And then a woman came in and stopped him cold, outshooting him 4 to 1.
I still think that, and the ambush turned by the reserve women a few years ago should be front and center in our ME propaganda:
Don't fuck with Americans. Or we'll let our Women Kick Your Ass.
"a certain relish in the idea that he hated women and thought himself so above them."
This would be an excellent example of where I part ways with my colleagues on the left. For whatever reason, they seem to excuse sexism...sorry...misogyny when it comes from Third World countries. I know I will get hoot and hollers for this one but I am a big believer in sacred feminine power. Most Muslim men shit all over this and to say that it offends me is the understatement of...forever.
Actually, it's not just Muslim men. I recently participated (as a researcher) in a study regarding suicide around the world. In most parts of India, if a man dies the woman is expected to kill herself. If she can't muster that, she is to become the slave of the man's family. For whatever reason, many of my friends on the left excuse this or (argh!) even DATE fucks like this. And then they turn around and rip more conservative leaning people for saying a woman's place is in the home. Fucking hypocrites...
Sorry, I got off on a tangent but I just needed to get that out. The unhinged male rage of Muslim men is about at the top (if not the top) of things that aggravate the fuck out of me. It's a bias, I know, but I'm only human.
In most parts of India, if a man dies the woman is expected to kill herself.
Reminds me of the Napier quote, albeit he was speaking to Hindus:
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
"to 19th-century Hindus", I meant to say. Qualifiers keep wandering off on me.
(Ha! My field of study and where I grew up.) That tradition in India is tied to the Dowry that a woman is expected to bring with her to the arranged marriage. Among modern middle-class Indians I've heard about lately, the "negotiations" over what the bride WILL bring can get pretty intense - like the demand for big-screen TV's and stereo amplifiers and more.
All of this is based on perceived status. "Unsuccessful" negotiations have caused arranged marriages to break-up.
It's also religiously motivated and tied to status. 90% of Hinduism is status-based and performance oriented, revolving around Ritual Purity and Cleanliness. Since women are expected to marry-up they come to the relationship from a lower position of status than men, and their subjugation is rationalized based on that. Similarly a boy-child is more valuable than a girl child and there's been a technological rush to use the sonogram to determine an infant's sex and enable "decision making" like abortions.
All objects (and many people) are tied to Purity and Status - and as are assets they can be purchased for a fee and arrangements can be made to improve your Status the way a gardener tends the grounds.
But unless the man she marries has a pair of real brass ones, she still becomes subjugated to the wishes of her mother-in-law, and Indian boys are brought-up treated like little Raja's and are serious momma's boys, so the wife gets the shaft pretty much anyhow.
In her defense she might have a brother (or a pair of brothers) who can help her negotiate a better living arrangement during her lifetime - but generally speaking and in rural areas in particular she becomes the mother's servant and water-carrier. Literally.
The whole death-scene thing is that the surviving family doesn't want to have to feed an unproductive old mouth - and that's where the practice of Suttee originates.
The old widow knows that without her husband/protector she'll be neglected and abused - and so she throws herself on the funeral pyre. In the past, as this was considered a high-status display and thing-to-do, frequently the surviving family "assisted" the old lady in ascending the pyre, even if they had to go hunt her down and tier her up.
The British in their awful horrible Colonial mismanagement took offense and ended the formal practice, but it still continued(s) voluntarily in rural areas far from the District Magistrate and Big Babu's of the Civil Service.
Markadelphia:
"Sorry, I got off on a tangent but I just needed to get that out. The unhinged male rage of Muslim men is about at the top (if not the top) of things that aggravate the fuck out of me."
But very few that I've met that don't have an ugly basketful of "dick issues"...apparently so did the intubated puddle of pigshit Major Hasan.
Can't get trim with a M.D. and a long-term career?
LOSER.
Of course, the Bedouin practice of consanginous arranged marriages and the brutal oppression of their lucky ladies would tend to make them utter social retards...as well as slight inbred mongoloids addicted to furtive homosexual buggery.
Face it, the Prophet, (pbuh), had no GAME whatsoever.
T'ain't none of this healthy at all, so they end up indulging in brutal gang-rapes or going self-splodeydope and killing everyone in the blast range.
Taken literally, the Koran and the Bedouin culture enshrined in it seems almost like a manual to produce violent, slightly retarded faggots, with persecution-complex attitude problems.
It's a bias, I know, but I'm only human.
Markadelphia, I (seriously) recommend you pick up a copy of Theodore Dalrymple's In Praise of Prejudice: The Necessity of Preconceived Ideas.
Kevin, he doesn't want to understand or overcome his bias. He wants to wallow in guilt about it without actually changing his views (no surprise there of course).
I don't feel the slightest amount of guilt...I just recognize my humanity. And the whole Jungian thing via Private Joker.
M, you can't be a decent Christian without feeling guilt for your failure to love your neighbor.
Pick which one you fail at. Doesn't matter at all to me.
I didn't think it was possible for someone to be liberal and not marinated in guilt.
As for "sacred feminine power," what the heck does that mean?
The only "sacred feminine power" I know of is the ability to make young men do stupid things on your behalf just by wiggling your butt or smiling.
To be fair, that's pretty powerful. "Sacred" might be something of a stretch, though.
I dunno, GrumpyOldFart. . .
Many's the young man who has closed his eyes and started the mantra "Oh, God, oh, God, oh, God. . . ", especially when receiving that "decadent Western" oral attention. . .
Quick show of hands?
True, Rick. But as a lady friend of mine used to say, "Staying in bed on Sunday morning screaming 'Oh, God' does not constitute going to church."
For once, I think I would've preferred Mark's dopey answer to my question. Yuck.
Yuck?
Por quoi?
More contract=slavery type bullshit from Marxy:
"Ed, you will get no argument from me regarding the threat we face from hirabis."
By the time Marxy posted this limp-wristed evaluation of the shoe smear that shot up Fort Hood, it was already well known that he was a devout, life-long Muslim. But by using the word "hirabi" again, Marxy is trying to downplay it.
What I find totally ironic that Marxy claims that conservatives are "just like Al Qaeda" because… well… apparently because we disagree with the Great and Wonderful Wizard of Thought, otherwise known as Marxy. (And this despite the already demonstrated fact that Al Qaeda says the same things as the left.) But when it's discovered that the turd who decided to kill soldiers (by violating the rules of war) is a Muslim who is faithfully following the example set by Mohammad himself, Marxy goes out of his way to minimize the fact that the shooter actually is "just like Al Qaeda".
And now, we find out that this murderer was actively trying to contact Al Qaeda.
Face it Marxy. The "jihad" taught by the Koran was practiced by Mohammed. And this evil shell of a human being was following directly in Mohammad's bloody teachings. Are you really going to try to make excuses for Islam and its true believers who REALLY ARE "just like Al Qaeda" because they ARE Al Qaeda even if they're not a card carrying member?!?
Rick,
Since modesty in women has been virtually bred out of existence, I don't fault you for not understanding my "yuck." I'm one of those old fashioned women who prefers not to be privy to discussions of a sexual nature, especially in the presence of men. I'm not trying to dictate terms here, seein' as it isn't my blog; but I think I'm entitled to a "yuck" and maybe even a "blech" when one of my comments elicits that kind of discussion. So, y'all go ahead, I'm just going to cover my eyes from now on. :)
Sarah,
Fair 'nough.
I think a "blech" would be more appropriate, but it's your mind -- you know what you mean better than I do.
Sorry if I offended.
Thanks, Rick.
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Ed, that was spot on, but it hardly matters given Gen. Casey's remarks on the matter. Diversity trumps everything. We're witnessing our own cultural suicide, and it's damn depressing.
My apologies Sarah, but it was actually meant to illustrate a point: Other than the ability to carry a child and the ability to make men act amazingly stupid by merely existing, I can't think of any "powers" women have that everyone else doesn't have in equal measure.
I'm trying to figure out which is the "sacred" one.
Michael Ramirez nails it again.
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