Even though 90% - 100% of the facts and assertions in Michael Moore's films are wrong, in his mind, they still add up to "truth." The same goes for his perception of "The Story of Stuff".
It just shows how irrational the left truly is. Logic 101 requires that every single step along a chain of reasoning must be correct for the conclusion to be accurate. If even a single step or premise is wrong, then the conclusion is questionable at best. In other words:
It's sad in single individuals. Absolutely destructive in large groups.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping."
—Blaise Pascal
whether Dan was nuts before he ran with the story, or did its exposure drive him over the brink?
Before.
Otherwise he'd have seen the massive flaws in the story.
Remember: Not a *single* document examiner told them they *were* legit.
So Rather and Mapes ran with a mismash of them being quoted as "well, I can't say it's NOT authentic [for the value outside their expertise]" and omitted all their doubts, ass coverings, and disclaimers.
That's not something that just comes on you suddently - that's something that takes *years* of training yourself to *not* think about areas you don't like. (Like Marky's screaming about monopolies on power and cable and... Yes, Mark, those monopolies granted by?)
He was nuts back in the 70s. He just said what people wanted to hear and had a nice voice.
I think Dan came to the conclusion that the ends (at that time, disgracing Bush enough to get him booted from office) justified the means. And the means were found lacking. Another victim of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Republicans/conservatives are lying even when they aren't.
Democrats/liberals aren't lying even when they are.
Consider: "Bush lied about WMDs to get us into Iraq" is an article of faith on the left. This means "the stupidest President in the history of the Republic", who "lost the respect of the entire world" had to get the agreement of German, Russian, Israeli and US intelligence, as well as President Clinton, to agree to that lie and help spread it as far back as 1998, when Bush was still governor of Texas.
Nonetheless, "Bush lied."
However, "doctors are stealing people's feet to sell on the black market" and "an excise tax is not a tax" and "single payer scares me too" aren't lies.
Regarding Rather - anyone who is as wealthy as he is and still working when they are his age has no life and really needs a hobby. Just my opinion.
I'm going to see Michael Moores new movie with Markadelphia tomorrow. Can you guys help me prepare for this brain melting experience? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
One of the more interesting things I've learned in my life is what bank tellers need to learn to be most effective at spotting counterfeit money, and that turns out to be an intimate knowledge of what real money is. The result is that even if they can't articulate exactly why a particular bill is "wrong", they can still recognize it because they know what "right" is and that the counterfeit isn't it.
Put more simply, when you're intimately familiar with the truth, spotting deception is easy.
I'm going to see Michael Moores new movie with Markadelphia tomorrow. Can you guys help me prepare for this brain melting experience? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I suggest you smoke truly incredible amounts of marijuana before seeing this film. If you aren't blazed enough to giggle at your own reflection, you won't fully appreciate his work.
I was going to suggest getting shit-faced motherless drunk on cheap gin and eating a Family Size Garlic Chicken Gourmet Pizza before the show. That way you'll be prepared to make a well reasoned comment on the movie about half way through.
Here's some good preparation for you. You could also try watching "An American Carol" and remember George Patton, John F. Kenney, and Bill O'Reilly slapping the Michael Moore character whenever Moore says something especially stupid. ;)
Markadelphia pays for the ticket every time we see a MM movie so that is covered. I can get the girlfriend to drive, bam - done. I will eat something before I go so I won't feel the need to buy the jumbo container of milk duds that I usually get when I go to a movie. These types of films are good for feeding the angst of the lefties - they usually like to snort loudly in agreement at certain times of the movie and they also like to talk to the screen when they agree with something that is said, as if the people on the screen really are there as opposed to being just beams of light shot through the projector. I think I'll bring an umbrella also...talking to any MM fan afterward will be like being bukkaked with stupid.
Thus illustrating - once again - that Markadelphia makes up his own definitions just like Humpty-Dumpty, and changes those definitions as it suits him.
Dan and company were doing what they've always done. The only difference this time was that these dirty, no good bloggers in their pajamas were here to cross-examine them.
Just after the Tet offensive in 1968ish, Walter Cronkite describe the sweeping American Victory as a stalemate that could only be resolved through negotiation. Bloggers weren't around back then, but Blather was. These radical shitheads still haven't quite figured out that the rules of the game have changed and they're being left behind. They're still in their own self-made, protective bubble.
I was being a mite sarcastic, Kevin. He has refused to define it when asked to do so, even though we've pointed out to him time and again that he already has defined it. Thus, he can't even agree with himself.
I have this vision, y'see. Asking him to define "good capitalism" while he's watching Moore's talkie just might induce a schizophrenic fit.
One of the telltales that the "memos" were clumsy forgeries produced using MS Word was that the "th" was in superscript - and it was supposedly done on a typewriter. Also the font was proportional, another characteristic of Word.
Thus I superscript the "th" in "Rather." The superscripting of BS in CBS should then be obvious.
The "CYA" memo you see at the bottom of the post there is the one the '04 story was built on. See how "187th" is superscripted? 1973 typewriters weren't known for being able to do that. Modern word processors, however, do so automatically. Regular shlubs on the internet caught this discrepancy immediately, while Rather didn't much care to.
In fact, the flashing animation is the memo being compared against the exact same text put into MS Word on default settings.
One of the more amusing aspects of the immediate aftermath was watching people defend the possibility that the Texas Guard office used an expensive and complicated IBM typewriter capable of producing the text. These people apparently regard Occam's razor as some kind of shaving implement.
Worse yet, Sarah, is watching them defend the notion that using such a processor would make the text appear exactly as if it were typed into Microsoft Word on its default settings.
Mikey's Movie apparently tanked at the box office this weekend. How fitting -- few people were willing to pay to watch his movie about how evil capitalism is.
(Doesn't matter. It will do boffo box office in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. - Ed.)
For him to admit they are forgeries is to admit being taken in by them, to admit trying to trash Bush via faked non-evidence, and thus to admit being consumed by Bush Derangement Syndrome. He knows that we all know the truth, but his ego cannot withstand the admission.
He knows that we all know the truth, but his ego cannot withstand the admission.
In other words, and as stated by Kevin, he's not consciously lying, he's just effing crazy. Norma Desmond with a folksy accent.
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How many of you guys would pay good money to get into the ring with that stupid old man for three rounds?
I know I would.
What's the frequency, Kevin?
Wildlife tracking collars, bank money dye packs - 215 to 220 MHz.
It's exactly the same mentality as Marky:
False + False + Fake + Lie + Wrong = Truth
Even though 90% - 100% of the facts and assertions in Michael Moore's films are wrong, in his mind, they still add up to "truth." The same goes for his perception of "The Story of Stuff".
It just shows how irrational the left truly is. Logic 101 requires that every single step along a chain of reasoning must be correct for the conclusion to be accurate. If even a single step or premise is wrong, then the conclusion is questionable at best. In other words:
True + True + True + True + True = Truth
True + True + Not(True) + True + True = Not(True)
But to the left, "logic" works like this:
Not(True) + Not(True) + Partial(True) + Not(True) + Not(True) = Dogmatic Truth
It's sad in single individuals. Absolutely destructive in large groups.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping."
—Blaise Pascal
whether Dan was nuts before he ran with the story, or did its exposure drive him over the brink?
Before.
Otherwise he'd have seen the massive flaws in the story.
Remember: Not a *single* document examiner told them they *were* legit.
So Rather and Mapes ran with a mismash of them being quoted as "well, I can't say it's NOT authentic [for the value outside their expertise]" and omitted all their doubts, ass coverings, and disclaimers.
That's not something that just comes on you suddently - that's something that takes *years* of training yourself to *not* think about areas you don't like. (Like Marky's screaming about monopolies on power and cable and... Yes, Mark, those monopolies granted by?)
He was nuts back in the 70s. He just said what people wanted to hear and had a nice voice.
I think Dan came to the conclusion that the ends (at that time, disgracing Bush enough to get him booted from office) justified the means. And the means were found lacking. Another victim of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
It's always accurate in Ratherdelphia....
In The Ratherverse fake does not equal fraudulent. Therefore, fraudulent does not equal fake.
You can take that almost anywhere.
U-J: "He was nuts back in the 70s. He just said what people wanted to hear and had a nice voice."
I dunno, Obama was pretty young back then, early teens, so I don't think the rot had fully, oh, wait, this is about Rather. Nevermind, carry on!
Ye gods. Viacom "buried the story," did they?
Apparently, broadcasting during its normal time-slot counts as "burying," to our suffering martyr over there.
This man needs an intervention.
"This man needs an intervention."
He'd benefit more from a lobotomy.
This man needs an intervention.
With a clue-by-four.
It's symptomatic.
Republicans/conservatives are lying even when they aren't.
Democrats/liberals aren't lying even when they are.
Consider: "Bush lied about WMDs to get us into Iraq" is an article of faith on the left. This means "the stupidest President in the history of the Republic", who "lost the respect of the entire world" had to get the agreement of German, Russian, Israeli and US intelligence, as well as President Clinton, to agree to that lie and help spread it as far back as 1998, when Bush was still governor of Texas.
Nonetheless, "Bush lied."
However, "doctors are stealing people's feet to sell on the black market" and "an excise tax is not a tax" and "single payer scares me too" aren't lies.
Regarding Rather - anyone who is as wealthy as he is and still working when they are his age has no life and really needs a hobby. Just my opinion.
I'm going to see Michael Moores new movie with Markadelphia tomorrow. Can you guys help me prepare for this brain melting experience? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Last in line:
Earplugs
Ok, seriously now.
One of the more interesting things I've learned in my life is what bank tellers need to learn to be most effective at spotting counterfeit money, and that turns out to be an intimate knowledge of what real money is. The result is that even if they can't articulate exactly why a particular bill is "wrong", they can still recognize it because they know what "right" is and that the counterfeit isn't it.
Put more simply, when you're intimately familiar with the truth, spotting deception is easy.
LiL:
Under no circumstances can you use the capitalist system to see that movie. No buying gas, no buying tickets, no buying concessions.
All that should be freely given!
Can you guys help me prepare for this brain melting experience?
Sounds like the perfect time for your first acid trip.
LSD will less damage to your brain than taking MM seriously.
I'm going to see Michael Moores new movie with Markadelphia tomorrow. Can you guys help me prepare for this brain melting experience? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I suggest you smoke truly incredible amounts of marijuana before seeing this film. If you aren't blazed enough to giggle at your own reflection, you won't fully appreciate his work.
I was going to suggest getting shit-faced motherless drunk on cheap gin and eating a Family Size Garlic Chicken Gourmet Pizza before the show. That way you'll be prepared to make a well reasoned comment on the movie about half way through.
Gerry N.
Here's some good preparation for you. You could also try watching "An American Carol" and remember George Patton, John F. Kenney, and Bill O'Reilly slapping the Michael Moore character whenever Moore says something especially stupid. ;)
Markadelphia pays for the ticket every time we see a MM movie so that is covered. I can get the girlfriend to drive, bam - done. I will eat something before I go so I won't feel the need to buy the jumbo container of milk duds that I usually get when I go to a movie. These types of films are good for feeding the angst of the lefties - they usually like to snort loudly in agreement at certain times of the movie and they also like to talk to the screen when they agree with something that is said, as if the people on the screen really are there as opposed to being just beams of light shot through the projector. I think I'll bring an umbrella also...talking to any MM fan afterward will be like being bukkaked with stupid.
Markadelphia pays for the ticket every time we see a MM movie so that is covered.
Doesn't matter. Capitalism is a FAILED SYSTEM. You're just relocating the costs!
Stick to the gin.
And wear a raincoat if you're sitting next to Mark, would be my advice...
Hey Juris, BLK is going with us too. Maybe 2 raincoats are in order.
Eat lots of beans, cabbage, and broccoli about twelve hours before going. If you suffer because he can't help it, then turnabout is fair play.
Oh, and while you're there, see if you can get him (or Mikey Moore) to define good capitalism.
Markadelphia already has:
"taxation in the name of "fairness" comes from. What do you call it?"
I call it good capitalism.
Thus illustrating - once again - that Markadelphia makes up his own definitions just like Humpty-Dumpty, and changes those definitions as it suits him.
Dan and company were doing what they've always done. The only difference this time was that these dirty, no good bloggers in their pajamas were here to cross-examine them.
Just after the Tet offensive in 1968ish, Walter Cronkite describe the sweeping American Victory as a stalemate that could only be resolved through negotiation. Bloggers weren't around back then, but Blather was. These radical shitheads still haven't quite figured out that the rules of the game have changed and they're being left behind. They're still in their own self-made, protective bubble.
I was being a mite sarcastic, Kevin. He has refused to define it when asked to do so, even though we've pointed out to him time and again that he already has defined it. Thus, he can't even agree with himself.
I have this vision, y'see. Asking him to define "good capitalism" while he's watching Moore's talkie just might induce a schizophrenic fit.
How could you tell the difference?
Hmmm ...
I gotta admit, I don't know that I could.
Ok, apparently I'm the only one not in on the joke.
What's with the superscripts?
One of the telltales that the "memos" were clumsy forgeries produced using MS Word was that the "th" was in superscript - and it was supposedly done on a typewriter. Also the font was proportional, another characteristic of Word.
Thus I superscript the "th" in "Rather." The superscripting of BS in CBS should then be obvious.
perl,
The "CYA" memo you see at the bottom of the post there is the one the '04 story was built on. See how "187th" is superscripted? 1973 typewriters weren't known for being able to do that. Modern word processors, however, do so automatically. Regular shlubs on the internet caught this discrepancy immediately, while Rather didn't much care to.
In fact, the flashing animation is the memo being compared against the exact same text put into MS Word on default settings.
Ahhhhhhhh. Now I get it. Thanks! That makes sense. Heh. Guess I'm just one of those whippersnappers, today. :)
I wrote all of my college papers in vi, so I'm not real familiar with word processors, anyway. ;)
I prefer gvim, myself, perlhaqr.
One of the more amusing aspects of the immediate aftermath was watching people defend the possibility that the Texas Guard office used an expensive and complicated IBM typewriter capable of producing the text. These people apparently regard Occam's razor as some kind of shaving implement.
Worse yet, Sarah, is watching them defend the notion that using such a processor would make the text appear exactly as if it were typed into Microsoft Word on its default settings.
They probably see the spelling of the name, "Occam", and decide using it is racism against Muslims.
You'd probably make their heads explode if you pointed out that William of Ockham was an Englishman.
Mikey's Movie apparently tanked at the box office this weekend. How fitting -- few people were willing to pay to watch his movie about how evil capitalism is.
(Doesn't matter. It will do boffo box office in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. - Ed.)
"Mikey's Movie apparently tanked at the box office this weekend."
He'll probably blame it on Bush.
Rather spent his whole working life, including 1973, reading and writing stories on manual typewriters, NONE of which could do the th superscripr.
He knew these were forgeries when he first saw them, and he knows it now.
He IS a bank teller when it comes to typed documents.
For him to admit they are forgeries is to admit being taken in by them, to admit trying to trash Bush via faked non-evidence, and thus to admit being consumed by Bush Derangement Syndrome. He knows that we all know the truth, but his ego cannot withstand the admission.
He knows that we all know the truth, but his ego cannot withstand the admission.
In other words, and as stated by Kevin, he's not consciously lying, he's just effing crazy. Norma Desmond with a folksy accent.
Note: All avatars and any images or other media embedded in comments were hosted on the JS-Kit website and have been lost; references to haloscan comments have been partially automatically remapped, but accuracy is not guaranteed and corrections are solicited.
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