I loved the Malkin link. It's really going to be fun to watch the mentally and emotionally ill (her) of the conservative base slowly being pushed aside in favor of...oh...I don't know...someone who is actually a decent human being (Huckabee)?
Ballistic, Cthulhu is one of the "Old Gods" who will eat the Earth in the coming pocky-clipse. Part of the H.P. Lovecraft mythos.
Mark, Huckabee's a 'decent human being'. I just don't want someone who thinks we should amend the Constitution to reflect God's will as President. No problem with Baptist preachers who want to change the world, but they're supposed to do it one person at a time. God told them so.
After the NRA Convention, in which each candidate presented before the NRA members, the NRA suggested that Huckabee was the best candidate for promoting 2nd Amendment rights!
Knowing Huckabee personally, he is deeply spiritual, yes, but he is a realist and a strong constitutionalist!
But I am an atheist (small "A") and not a social conservative, and I don't want an evangelical Christian minister as the leader of my nation, especially when we're at war with crazed Muslim fanatics.
Huckabee might be too tied up trying to outlaw abortion, banning gay marriage, and giving clemency to violent criminals to pay proper attention to the war.
I am NOT an atheist and I don't want the government doing what Christians should be doing.
I am for the sanctity of life and marriage, but I do not want Constitutional Amendments to that effect.
The "Evangelicals" have gotten lazy. They want the government to make everybody behave in a manner consistent with their views. News flash! It is not behavior that matters, it is heart and the government at any level cannot touch that.
Are opposition to abortion and support for traditional marriage good things? Then work for and stop hiding behind the government.
My wife and I have for years supported a home for unwed mothers and done what we can directly on an individual basis.
Asking the the government to do what you should be doing is wrong and it makes for authoritarian government.
Huckabee would be the last candidate I could conceive of voting for - including those from the evil party.
Mark - your slime of the ideological Right is not an argument. We have seen this before.
It's not even that he's an evangelical Christian minister that's the problem, the problem is that he doesn't seem able to see the difference between that job and President.
After all, we did survive Bush fairly well. No mandatory church, or homosexual concentration camps in the midwest (as was promised by quite a few people before the election - BDS took hold early and hard).
I'm more inclined to think Huckabee is our, and believe me, I hate to say this, but best choice.
At least if he gets intolerable, we'll have our guns.
I think Huckabee might be worth supporting if only because the resulting meltdown among the left would make the worse example of BDS seem like a simple sneeze.
The hissy fits about Bush's religiosity were right around the time I was getting out of my obnoxious-atheist phase and into my more tolerable one, so I researched him pretty thoroughly. He was nowhere NEAR as bad- not in the sense of being more or less religious, in the sense of being aware of what his job actually WAS.
Huckabee doesn't frighten me because I think he could institute a theocracy or the trappings of one; he frightens me because I think he'd act as a President the same way he would as a minister. The two jobs require VERY different skill sets and attitudes... and I haven't seen much evidence that he knows that.
I think Huckabee knows the difference between being President and being a minister. My worry about him is that the reason he supports the Fair Tax might be because he knows it'll never get passed, so he can ignore other tax cuts while pretending to be a fiscal conservative.
Don't take this as disagreement, as much as.. well.. yeah, kinda.
But I remember that same thought (and being worried about it) with Bush, and especially Ashcroft, to whom I owe an apology.
I don't see a lot of difference between the rest.
McCain - looks like Tigh from Battlestar Galatica. Is damned unstable when even lightly questioned. Bears corruption taint from the Keating scandal that's never really been cleared, and has no problem with taking power, control, and mandating requirements regardless of the Constitution.
Romney - Uh. I mean, damn, this is a Mass. Pol. I don't know if he's pro or anti abortion - he seems to hold both views concurrently. (Not that either would bother me, but his view changes based on audience.)
Guiliani. Again with the control issues, lack of ability to take critical comments. Also very "flexible" in his thinking, such that the only thing I'd believe in the long run would be he'd be OK with authorizing power.
With those being the realistic "alternatives", maybe the Southern big-government Christian might be the way to go. (Again). Will he place theocrats on the USSC? (Are there any theocrats anywhere that survived law school?) No.
Will he... have the sense to shrink the .gov? No, but neither does anybody else in the running.
Again, it gets pretty much back to the guns. The gun vote can lift Huckabee, whereas none of the other 3 would have any realistic pressure points.
I also think it's important that Huckabee isn't a long-time Senator like McCain. One of the things I liked about Fred was that he'd been in the Senate, but hadn't been a lifer, and didn't seem to have been changed dramatically.
Nor is he from a state that's realistically in rebellion to the Constitution, (if anybody would send in the Army to fix, I'd appreciate it). Both Guilani and Romney are from very urban areas, and are completely out of touch with those of us in "Flyover country".
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LabRat:
Don't take this as disagreement, as much as.. well.. yeah, kinda.
But I remember that same thought (and being worried about it) with Bush, and especially Ashcroft, to whom I owe an apology.
I don't see a lot of difference between the rest.
McCain - looks like Tigh from Battlestar Galatica. Is damned unstable when even lightly questioned. Bears corruption taint from the Keating scandal that's never really been cleared, and has no problem with taking power, control, and mandating requirements regardless of the Constitution.
Romney - Uh. I mean, damn, this is a Mass. Pol. I don't know if he's pro or anti abortion - he seems to hold both views concurrently. (Not that either would bother me, but his view changes based on audience.)
Guiliani. Again with the control issues, lack of ability to take critical comments. Also very "flexible" in his thinking, such that the only thing I'd believe in the long run would be he'd be OK with authorizing power.
With those being the realistic "alternatives", maybe the Southern big-government Christian might be the way to go. (Again). Will he place theocrats on the USSC? (Are there any theocrats anywhere that survived law school?) No.
Will he... have the sense to shrink the .gov? No, but neither does anybody else in the running.
Again, it gets pretty much back to the guns. The gun vote can lift Huckabee, whereas none of the other 3 would have any realistic pressure points.
I also think it's important that Huckabee isn't a long-time Senator like McCain. One of the things I liked about Fred was that he'd been in the Senate, but hadn't been a lifer, and didn't seem to have been changed dramatically.
Nor is he from a state that's realistically in rebellion to the Constitution, (if anybody would send in the Army to fix, I'd appreciate it). Both Guilani and Romney are from very urban areas, and are completely out of touch with those of us in "Flyover country".
I like Cthulhu's foreign policy of killing everyone and consuming everything, but I don't agree with his domestic policy of killing everyone and consuming everything. Still better than Hillary.
"Mark - your slime of the ideological Right is not an argument. We have seen this before."
Rob, I agreed with most of your post but I still stand by what I said. I don't think it is a slime. It's the truth. The conservative base of this country has a very large group in it that, simply put, are not well. I really think this to be obvious, given some of the behavior we have seen over the past decade or so. It's bad enough that they are saying some of the things they are saying but for me to have to accept and work with it is utterly preposterous. I offer as an example of this Michelle Bachman, from my home state of Minnesota.
Sadly, if Hillary wins, the insanity will only get worse...
Are you seriously comparing anything on the conservative side with the BDS we've been experiencing for the last seven or eight years?
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I don't like Huckabee. He, along with most of the GOP candidates, is essentially a Democrat. He's only second to McCain on my list of RINOs I would never-in-a-million-years vote for.
As a Protestant Christian, I hate to admit this, but evangelicals make lousy political leaders. While I think they have an overall positive effect in society, they should not have access to the levers of power. Personally, I would rather vote for an agnostic who was sympathetic to Christian values than an evangelical who was overly-zealous about them.
The liberal base of this country has a very large group in it that, simply put, are not well. I really think this to be obvious, given some of the behavior we have seen over the past decade or so. It's bad enough that they are saying some of the things they are saying but for me to have to accept and work with it is utterly preposterous.
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"Are you seriously comparing anything on the conservative side with the BDS we've been experiencing for the last seven or eight years? "
I think BDS is complete crap. The only reason why there is "BDS" is because people on the left can't understand why people, who tout morality, support someone who is so unbelievably immoral.
The reason why groups like MoveON.Org exist is because of conservatives' cheese slipped off their cracker during Monica gate and it's been that way ever since. Worse, even. It might sound childish but it's the truth: conservative pundits started it.
Show me a Democratic, candidate or pundit, that did what Saxby Chambliss did to Max Cleland. Show me a liberal that says dumb ass things like "there aren't 'that many' homeless veterans." Show me a liberal who relies on the "fear and no facts" approach to garnering votes. I will agree that there are plenty of things wrong with liberals but being mentally and emotionally challenged...nope.
Cthulhu fhtagn! Cthulhu fhtagn! Cthulhu fhtagn! "That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange æons even death may die"
I'll tell you what, the happiest day of my miserable life will be when that pulpy-headed, tentatacle-faced, sticky-green mostrostity with flabby claws stumbles or shudders its mountainous form down Pennsylvania Avenue and its fervidly crazed followers infest the unnatural angles of Washington's City's with their overheated, bedazzled, ill-smelling selves; I only pray Mr. Herbert West can get whatever worm-eaten remains of H. P. Lovecraft they can unearth reanimated in time to appoint him Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for the swearing-in. Or, rather, in Cthulhu's case, the cursing-in.
Great staggering, frozen hells, at the very least dead, dread Cthulhu would put a stop to all this Islamic terrorism stuff, probably by eating everyone in the reagion and drinking all the oil. But by that point, no one will miss it.
And we can even keep Cheney on as Veep! He'll fit right in.
"Do you ever read the anti-gun stuff that Kevin fisks here regularly?"
Yes, and they are wrong to do it. You have to admit, though, that the anti gun lobby is not anywhere near what they used to be. Rarely, do I see a report on the news about gun violence. They are certainly nowhere near the level of the right wing pundit machine in terms of power, money, and ridiculous lies.
"Please move to france where they appreciate your ilk."
>I like Cthulhu's foreign policy of
>killing everyone and consuming
>everything, but I don't agree with
>his domestic policy of killing
>everyone and consuming everything.
>Still better than Hillary.
He's also weak on the border. He just wants to keep letting the Deep Ones illegally immigrate from R'lyeh
"I don't want an evangelical Christian minister as the leader of my nation, especially when we're at war with crazed Muslim fanatics."
I wish Lieberman were running again. I've always said that the best way to strike fear into the hearts of our current enemies would be to elect a Jewish president. Now if we could just find a pro-war, Jewish *woman* candidate....heh.
Hillary/Obama 2008
"Why vote for one socialist when you can have two?"
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So much for Hunter:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/23/hunter-endorses-huckheads-explode/
And to think that I thought Thompson/Hunter would have been a good ticket.
No wonder Fred left the race - he was absolutely alone.
Fred, please do not endorse any of the current crowd. Sit it out like the rest of us.
What a crock!
where can I get me one of those bumperstickers?
My burning question is: Will the FSM run?
Call me Cthulhi.
I loved the Malkin link. It's really going to be fun to watch the mentally and emotionally ill (her) of the conservative base slowly being pushed aside in favor of...oh...I don't know...someone who is actually a decent human being (Huckabee)?
Would someone please unpack what CTHULHU means? And please don't suggest I click on it to find out. I tried that and nothing happened.
Sorry, but I'm just not as "hip" as some internet users. Thanks.
Ballistic, Cthulhu is one of the "Old Gods" who will eat the Earth in the coming pocky-clipse. Part of the H.P. Lovecraft mythos.
Mark, Huckabee's a 'decent human being'. I just don't want someone who thinks we should amend the Constitution to reflect God's will as President. No problem with Baptist preachers who want to change the world, but they're supposed to do it one person at a time. God told them so.
Google HP Lovecraft
Jimmy Carter + Elmer Gantry + (Greg Stillson - Armageddon) = Mike Huckabee
In Re. Huckabee:
We don't need another Jimmy Carter.
We didn't need the first one either.
After the NRA Convention, in which each candidate presented before the NRA members, the NRA suggested that Huckabee was the best candidate for promoting 2nd Amendment rights!
Knowing Huckabee personally, he is deeply spiritual, yes, but he is a realist and a strong constitutionalist!
The NRA likes him, therefore I like him!
Good for you!
But I am an atheist (small "A") and not a social conservative, and I don't want an evangelical Christian minister as the leader of my nation, especially when we're at war with crazed Muslim fanatics.
Huckabee might be too tied up trying to outlaw abortion, banning gay marriage, and giving clemency to violent criminals to pay proper attention to the war.
But that's just me.
I am NOT an atheist and I don't want the government doing what Christians should be doing.
I am for the sanctity of life and marriage, but I do not want Constitutional Amendments to that effect.
The "Evangelicals" have gotten lazy. They want the government to make everybody behave in a manner consistent with their views. News flash! It is not behavior that matters, it is heart and the government at any level cannot touch that.
Are opposition to abortion and support for traditional marriage good things? Then work for and stop hiding behind the government.
My wife and I have for years supported a home for unwed mothers and done what we can directly on an individual basis.
Asking the the government to do what you should be doing is wrong and it makes for authoritarian government.
Huckabee would be the last candidate I could conceive of voting for - including those from the evil party.
Mark - your slime of the ideological Right is not an argument. We have seen this before.
It's not even that he's an evangelical Christian minister that's the problem, the problem is that he doesn't seem able to see the difference between that job and President.
That's a BIG problem.
I'm afraid I might have to support Huckabee.
*wince*
After all, we did survive Bush fairly well. No mandatory church, or homosexual concentration camps in the midwest (as was promised by quite a few people before the election - BDS took hold early and hard).
I'm more inclined to think Huckabee is our, and believe me, I hate to say this, but best choice.
At least if he gets intolerable, we'll have our guns.
I think Huckabee might be worth supporting if only because the resulting meltdown among the left would make the worse example of BDS seem like a simple sneeze.
Ted
The hissy fits about Bush's religiosity were right around the time I was getting out of my obnoxious-atheist phase and into my more tolerable one, so I researched him pretty thoroughly. He was nowhere NEAR as bad- not in the sense of being more or less religious, in the sense of being aware of what his job actually WAS.
Huckabee doesn't frighten me because I think he could institute a theocracy or the trappings of one; he frightens me because I think he'd act as a President the same way he would as a minister. The two jobs require VERY different skill sets and attitudes... and I haven't seen much evidence that he knows that.
I think Huckabee knows the difference between being President and being a minister. My worry about him is that the reason he supports the Fair Tax might be because he knows it'll never get passed, so he can ignore other tax cuts while pretending to be a fiscal conservative.
LabRat:
Don't take this as disagreement, as much as.. well.. yeah, kinda.
But I remember that same thought (and being worried about it) with Bush, and especially Ashcroft, to whom I owe an apology.
I don't see a lot of difference between the rest.
McCain - looks like Tigh from Battlestar Galatica. Is damned unstable when even lightly questioned. Bears corruption taint from the Keating scandal that's never really been cleared, and has no problem with taking power, control, and mandating requirements regardless of the Constitution.
Romney - Uh. I mean, damn, this is a Mass. Pol. I don't know if he's pro or anti abortion - he seems to hold both views concurrently. (Not that either would bother me, but his view changes based on audience.)
Guiliani. Again with the control issues, lack of ability to take critical comments. Also very "flexible" in his thinking, such that the only thing I'd believe in the long run would be he'd be OK with authorizing power.
With those being the realistic "alternatives", maybe the Southern big-government Christian might be the way to go. (Again). Will he place theocrats on the USSC? (Are there any theocrats anywhere that survived law school?) No.
Will he... have the sense to shrink the .gov? No, but neither does anybody else in the running.
Again, it gets pretty much back to the guns. The gun vote can lift Huckabee, whereas none of the other 3 would have any realistic pressure points.
I also think it's important that Huckabee isn't a long-time Senator like McCain. One of the things I liked about Fred was that he'd been in the Senate, but hadn't been a lifer, and didn't seem to have been changed dramatically.
Nor is he from a state that's realistically in rebellion to the Constitution, (if anybody would send in the Army to fix, I'd appreciate it). Both Guilani and Romney are from very urban areas, and are completely out of touch with those of us in "Flyover country".
Did I convince you?
Hell, I haven't quite convinced me.
I picked a bad year to give up bourbon.
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Haloscan is apparently still horqued.
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LabRat:
Don't take this as disagreement, as much as.. well.. yeah, kinda.
But I remember that same thought (and being worried about it) with Bush, and especially Ashcroft, to whom I owe an apology.
I don't see a lot of difference between the rest.
McCain - looks like Tigh from Battlestar Galatica. Is damned unstable when even lightly questioned. Bears corruption taint from the Keating scandal that's never really been cleared, and has no problem with taking power, control, and mandating requirements regardless of the Constitution.
Romney - Uh. I mean, damn, this is a Mass. Pol. I don't know if he's pro or anti abortion - he seems to hold both views concurrently. (Not that either would bother me, but his view changes based on audience.)
Guiliani. Again with the control issues, lack of ability to take critical comments. Also very "flexible" in his thinking, such that the only thing I'd believe in the long run would be he'd be OK with authorizing power.
With those being the realistic "alternatives", maybe the Southern big-government Christian might be the way to go. (Again). Will he place theocrats on the USSC? (Are there any theocrats anywhere that survived law school?) No.
Will he... have the sense to shrink the .gov? No, but neither does anybody else in the running.
Again, it gets pretty much back to the guns. The gun vote can lift Huckabee, whereas none of the other 3 would have any realistic pressure points.
I also think it's important that Huckabee isn't a long-time Senator like McCain. One of the things I liked about Fred was that he'd been in the Senate, but hadn't been a lifer, and didn't seem to have been changed dramatically.
Nor is he from a state that's realistically in rebellion to the Constitution, (if anybody would send in the Army to fix, I'd appreciate it). Both Guilani and Romney are from very urban areas, and are completely out of touch with those of us in "Flyover country".
Did I convince you?
Hell, I haven't quite convinced me.
I already ordered my bumper sticker. Should be fun driving around DC with that...
I like Cthulhu's foreign policy of killing everyone and consuming everything, but I don't agree with his domestic policy of killing everyone and consuming everything. Still better than Hillary.
"Mark - your slime of the ideological Right is not an argument. We have seen this before."
Rob, I agreed with most of your post but I still stand by what I said. I don't think it is a slime. It's the truth. The conservative base of this country has a very large group in it that, simply put, are not well. I really think this to be obvious, given some of the behavior we have seen over the past decade or so. It's bad enough that they are saying some of the things they are saying but for me to have to accept and work with it is utterly preposterous. I offer as an example of this Michelle Bachman, from my home state of Minnesota.
Sadly, if Hillary wins, the insanity will only get worse...
Mark,
Are you seriously comparing anything on the conservative side with the BDS we've been experiencing for the last seven or eight years?
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I don't like Huckabee. He, along with most of the GOP candidates, is essentially a Democrat. He's only second to McCain on my list of RINOs I would never-in-a-million-years vote for.
As a Protestant Christian, I hate to admit this, but evangelicals make lousy political leaders. While I think they have an overall positive effect in society, they should not have access to the levers of power. Personally, I would rather vote for an agnostic who was sympathetic to Christian values than an evangelical who was overly-zealous about them.
The liberal base of this country has a very large group in it that, simply put, are not well. I really think this to be obvious, given some of the behavior we have seen over the past decade or so. It's bad enough that they are saying some of the things they are saying but for me to have to accept and work with it is utterly preposterous.
Works both ways.
It is just this sort of judging people to be "a bit off" that makes this latest gun grab coming out of congress so odious.
Who decides what/who is mentally unsuitable?
If you want a weapon you are obviously unbalanced?
Let's leave this sort of talk at the door and discuss policy, not personality.
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"Are you seriously comparing anything on the conservative side with the BDS we've been experiencing for the last seven or eight years? "
I think BDS is complete crap. The only reason why there is "BDS" is because people on the left can't understand why people, who tout morality, support someone who is so unbelievably immoral.
The reason why groups like MoveON.Org exist is because of conservatives' cheese slipped off their cracker during Monica gate and it's been that way ever since. Worse, even. It might sound childish but it's the truth: conservative pundits started it.
Show me a Democratic, candidate or pundit, that did what Saxby Chambliss did to Max Cleland. Show me a liberal that says dumb ass things like "there aren't 'that many' homeless veterans." Show me a liberal who relies on the "fear and no facts" approach to garnering votes. I will agree that there are plenty of things wrong with liberals but being mentally and emotionally challenged...nope.
Nice try. Unfortunately the humor was wasted on the lesser entities.
If you know of a place for a bumpersticker I'd love to get one.
Markadelphia:
"Fear and no facts." Do you ever read the anti-gun stuff that Kevin fisks here regularly?
I got mine from cafepress.
Markadelphia: Please move to france where they appreciate your ilk.
Cthulhu fhtagn! Cthulhu fhtagn! Cthulhu fhtagn! "That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange æons even death may die"
I'll tell you what, the happiest day of my miserable life will be when that pulpy-headed, tentatacle-faced, sticky-green mostrostity with flabby claws stumbles or shudders its mountainous form down Pennsylvania Avenue and its fervidly crazed followers infest the unnatural angles of Washington's City's with their overheated, bedazzled, ill-smelling selves; I only pray Mr. Herbert West can get whatever worm-eaten remains of H. P. Lovecraft they can unearth reanimated in time to appoint him Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for the swearing-in. Or, rather, in Cthulhu's case, the cursing-in.
Great staggering, frozen hells, at the very least dead, dread Cthulhu would put a stop to all this Islamic terrorism stuff, probably by eating everyone in the reagion and drinking all the oil. But by that point, no one will miss it.
And we can even keep Cheney on as Veep! He'll fit right in.
PS, I am so stealing that banner.
"Do you ever read the anti-gun stuff that Kevin fisks here regularly?"
Yes, and they are wrong to do it. You have to admit, though, that the anti gun lobby is not anywhere near what they used to be. Rarely, do I see a report on the news about gun violence. They are certainly nowhere near the level of the right wing pundit machine in terms of power, money, and ridiculous lies.
"Please move to france where they appreciate your ilk."
Ooo..do I have a video for you...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yKS0yISz6xQ
Oops! This one works better
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gk29XCEqa4Y
>I like Cthulhu's foreign policy of
>killing everyone and consuming
>everything, but I don't agree with
>his domestic policy of killing
>everyone and consuming everything.
>Still better than Hillary.
He's also weak on the border. He just wants to keep letting the Deep Ones illegally immigrate from R'lyeh
The Deep Ones were here first ... The Mississippi Valley used to be ocean bottom millions of years ago.
Be careful when digging around the Cahokia Mounds ...
"I don't want an evangelical Christian minister as the leader of my nation, especially when we're at war with crazed Muslim fanatics."
I wish Lieberman were running again. I've always said that the best way to strike fear into the hearts of our current enemies would be to elect a Jewish president. Now if we could just find a pro-war, Jewish *woman* candidate....heh.
Now if we could just find a pro-war, black Jewish *lesbian* conservative candidate....heh.
Fixed it for you! ;)
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