Ditto on Optics Planet. I looked all over for the Zeiss scope I wanted for my BHO enticed Armalite AR-10 purchase. Optics Planet had it in stock. No one else I inquired with did AND, I paid $100 less for it than SWFA advertised.
Geek, I have a 686 Smith with a 6" barrel, equipped with a 2X Leupold EER scope. I forget how long I've had it, but it's about 25 years. The scope looks and works as if it's brand new. Still works great after thousands of hot .357 loads.
So, will this one last? I don't know, but I would dearly LOVE to find out, one round at a time.
Cow elk hunting is preposterously easy, but it's also half our meat supply for the year. Such a rig would put a nice challenge back into it.
Nice rig. When did you get your 5R? I picked one up late last year. It's very accurate out of the box. I'll find out at the PRC shoot (http://www.tacticsprc.com/) in Phoenix in February.
I'd expect a scope to last shooting handgun rounds, even the higher order ones like 44 mag. (Unsure of the mega handgun rounds 454 Casull, .500 S&W etc). .308 and derivatives really is a whole 'nother order of consequence. 357 mag generates 574 ft-lbs, 44 mag generates 1036 ft-lbs, whereas the .260 rem generates 2392 ft-lbs of scope abusing force.
Don Bower went to the Burris scopes for his long-range work for two reasons. 1: they were the only high-power long-eye-relief scopes available at the time. 2: they held up to the recoil.
The last couple years at Boomershoot, I've shot at least one of my .308 pistols without changing the zero, using the ballistic-plex reticle to move my impact without clicking. Over three days and many rounds of .308, I saw no change in the zero on the Burris 3-12x pistol scopes. They're tough enough.
You're right, Geek, but the critical factor overall is the peak acceleration the scope experiences, both translational and rotational, and so the mass of the piece, the moment by which it pitches upward, and many other factors have to be considered. I find my .357 Mag to have much sharper recoil than my brother's .44 Mag Anaconda, so the peak acceleration with mine might be higher.
Mine weighs 56.5 ounces. Perhaps our esteemed host could weigh his so we can compare.
Kevin, ever read any of Bob Milek's stuff on long range handgunning? He was a pioneer in the sport. Him & Mr. Herrett. At least in the single shot pistol type.
Weird looking setup, but I bet she'll shoot the heck out of 50 cent pieces at 100 yards!!?!!
I love the .260. I have a .308 now and the .260 is NEXT on my list.
Good luck with the gun!
Robert
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Mega-monstrously-marvelous.Great post and terrif firearm.
Ditto on Optics Planet. I looked all over for the Zeiss scope I wanted for my BHO enticed Armalite AR-10 purchase. Optics Planet had it in stock. No one else I inquired with did AND, I paid $100 less for it than SWFA advertised.
You know, if some idiot screenwriter hadn't already demonized the T/C - this would surely have been fodder for some EEEEeeeeevil villain.
Okay, help a newbie out—is there any reason for this thing to exist, besides that it doesn't count as a sawed-off rifle? Or is that it?
This is why.
N I C E ... did you get to the range?
Okay, help a newbie out—is there any reason for this thing to exist, besides that it doesn't count as a sawed-off rifle? Or is that it?
"1½" Groups at ¼ Mile"
Is there any better reason? ;)
It's 7:00AM here, and I'm prepping to go to the range right now.
Is a pistol scope really going to survive the earth shattering kaboom over the long haul?
Geek, I have a 686 Smith with a 6" barrel, equipped with a 2X Leupold EER scope. I forget how long I've had it, but it's about 25 years. The scope looks and works as if it's brand new. Still works great after thousands of hot .357 loads.
So, will this one last? I don't know, but I would dearly LOVE to find out, one round at a time.
Cow elk hunting is preposterously easy, but it's also half our meat supply for the year. Such a rig would put a nice challenge back into it.
Long range handgunning is one of the most satisfying sports in the gun world. And that looks like a shooter. Looking forward to reports! Enjoy.
Nice rig. When did you get your 5R? I picked one up late last year. It's very accurate out of the box. I'll find out at the PRC shoot (http://www.tacticsprc.com/) in Phoenix in February.
Scott
DJ:
I'd expect a scope to last shooting handgun rounds, even the higher order ones like 44 mag. (Unsure of the mega handgun rounds 454 Casull, .500 S&W etc). .308 and derivatives really is a whole 'nother order of consequence. 357 mag generates 574 ft-lbs, 44 mag generates 1036 ft-lbs, whereas the .260 rem generates 2392 ft-lbs of scope abusing force.
Don Bower went to the Burris scopes for his long-range work for two reasons. 1: they were the only high-power long-eye-relief scopes available at the time. 2: they held up to the recoil.
The last couple years at Boomershoot, I've shot at least one of my .308 pistols without changing the zero, using the ballistic-plex reticle to move my impact without clicking. Over three days and many rounds of .308, I saw no change in the zero on the Burris 3-12x pistol scopes. They're tough enough.
Ditto on Optics Planet, I've used them a couple of times, with full satisfaction.
Nice gun!
You're right, Geek, but the critical factor overall is the peak acceleration the scope experiences, both translational and rotational, and so the mass of the piece, the moment by which it pitches upward, and many other factors have to be considered. I find my .357 Mag to have much sharper recoil than my brother's .44 Mag Anaconda, so the peak acceleration with mine might be higher.
Mine weighs 56.5 ounces. Perhaps our esteemed host could weigh his so we can compare.
Damn, but I'm salivating.
Kevin, ever read any of Bob Milek's stuff on long range handgunning? He was a pioneer in the sport. Him & Mr. Herrett. At least in the single shot pistol type.
With that comp, I am so glad I'm not on the bench next to you when you light that thing off!
My wife just saw this, looked at the picture of the scope with the level, and said "THAT'S NOT A PISTOL, THAT'S A POWER TOOL!"
Considering that she constantly steals all my power tools, I don't know if you should be insulted or complimented.
Oh, hell. I may have to name this one, too: "The Power Tool." Heh.
Weird looking setup, but I bet she'll shoot the heck out of 50 cent pieces at 100 yards!!?!!
I love the .260. I have a .308 now and the .260 is NEXT on my list.
Good luck with the gun!
Robert
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