JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2007/12/about-recent-rampage-shootings.html (15 comments)

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jsid-1197382312-584827  princewally at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:11:52 +0000

From what I've read, Jeanne Assam, the heroine, wasn't a security guard. She was just a person, legally carrying. Take a look at John Lott's blog.

jsid-1197383133-584828  Kevin Baker at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:25:33 +0000

According to what I've read, she was "volunteer security." She didn't belong to a security service, but she had a CCW permit and volunteered to provide security at the church where she worshiped.

jsid-1197394902-584840  princewally at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:41:42 +0000

From what I've read 'volunteer security' translates to 'carry permit and permission to carry there'.

jsid-1197396853-584841  princewally at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:14:13 +0000


"When a black-clad gunman walked into New Life Church on Sunday and started shooting, he was met with the church's first line of defense: a congregant with a concealed-weapons permit and a law enforcement background."

I really don't think she was 'official' security, volunteer or otherwise.

jsid-1197397551-584842  Kresh at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:25:51 +0000

Doesn't matter why she was there, only that she was there.

She's a grey-tribe sheepdog, pure and simple. My hat is off to her.

So, how do we submit someone for a Freedom Medal? Sounds like she deserves it as much as anyone does.

jsid-1197399904-584843  randy at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:05:04 +0000

Actually it does matter that the media is using the term "Security Guard".

"Security Guard" for many of the populace has a ring of officialness and and authority, one step below that of Police Officer. You know, the annointed ones, the only ones "professional enuff" to carry firearms.

This is too high profile of an incident for the MSM to ignore, so they're trying to mitigate the impact of a private citizen with a CCW permit reacting. Might give the rest of the peasants airs and make them uppity, thinking that they too can carry the means to defend themselves instead of dialing 911 and being a "good witness", if they live.

Bottom line, private citizen with a CCW permit kills goblin does not fit the template. "Security Guard" does.

jsid-1197404071-584845  geekWithA.45 at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:14:31 +0000

Too many people have bought into the fallacy that the state has a monopoly on the use of force.

It's simply unthinkable for these people to publicly sanction or endorse the use of individual discretion in deploying lethal force, no matter how valid that application is.

jsid-1197412682-584853  BlackSheep at Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:38:02 +0000

Security Guard, Sworn LE, or Armed Citizen. Its all the same really. Principal #7 of Sir Robert Peels' Nine Principles

Something to keep in mind and shove down the MSMs throat.
Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.


jsid-1197419290-584857  Doom at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:28:10 +0000

I have to admit something, in this college town I would not risk a probable prosecution to save most of these people (can you say Nifong?). They have voted for what they have, and I would not risk anything for them. There are a few, slim few, I would do this for. If they want a drug infused nuke and gun free zone, let them eat lead. It will be one of their own, and as I see it, revolutions eat themselves. It is a must, a law, or the nature of things. I do not even need to wash my hands of this, they have done it for me.

jsid-1197421560-584860  aaron at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:06:00 +0000

Now the media is emphasizing that Assam (the "security guard) didn't actually kill him, he killed himself.
They're leaving out the fact that she basically inflicted mortal wounds... "killing himself" was merely the application of his own coup de grace.

jsid-1197425895-584862  Kevin Baker at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:18:15 +0000

They ignore the point of carrying a defensive weapon. It's not there to kill. It's there to stop.

And she did, most definitely stop him.

jsid-1197432223-584864  Doom at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:03:43 +0000

Well, if she didn't actually kill him, at this point, perhaps that is better. I know some people cannot deal with such things. Not knowing this woman, but knowing she is a Christian and a woman leaves grave doubts. Yet, as you said, she rightly deserves sincere thanks and credit.

jsid-1197434903-584865  Ed "What the" Heckman at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:23 +0000

From this article about the shooting:

"Jeanne Assam, a church member who volunteers as a security guard, shot Murray, who was found with a rifle and two handguns, police said."

I've also seen it mentioned that she has a background in law enforcement.

In short, it seems that she was more than just a simple person in the congregation, but not an official "paid and wearing a uniform," i.e. professional, security guard.

jsid-1197458516-584870  Mark at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:21:56 +0000

Her L.E. experience dates to over 10 years ago, and ended with her being fired. This background information, while somewhat relevant, is not the sole basis for her actions, I suspect.

jsid-1197459897-584871  jeff at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:44:57 +0000

Interesting....I was in the Army once, I don't and you shouldn't consider me a solider. The efforts first to say "It's okay, she is an ex-cop" have now degenerated into "Bad cop!Bad cop!" And finally "It didn't matter, he killed himself." To which I reply "Do you really think that her actions didn't impact his plan? I can tell you this: I bet he never expected to meet resistance, and died much quicker than he had planned."

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