JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/07/other-peoples-words.html (20 comments)

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jsid-1153198327-517711  JPatterson at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:52:07 +0000

“That proposals of this sort have in the past proved so little acceptable is due to the fact that those who are willing to surrender their freedom for security have always demanded that if they give up their full freedom it should also be taken from those not prepared to do so. For this claim it is difficult to find a justification.”
F. A. Hayak – The Road to Serfdom
“Homeland defense includes all those measures designed to make the attacks on U.S. civilians less likely to succeed. These will include conventional police and security measures. It must also include a revival of the role of the unincorporated militia and the armed citizen. Al-Qaeda has limited resources, but the advantage of choosing where they will strike; since the police and military cannot be everywhere, civilians (like the passengers of flight 93) must take anti-terrorist defense into their own hands.”
Eric S. Raymond in his web log “Armed and Dangerous”
“The dirty little secret of the educational system, which everyone knows and no-one wants to talk about, is that kids do not all have the same potential. Some kids are smarter than others. Some kids will absorb knowledge like a sponge; but on others all attempts at education will bounce off like rain on a newly-waxed car.”
Steven Den Beste in his web log “U. S. S. Clueless”
"Do we really think that a government-dominated education is going to produce citizens capable of dominating their government, as the education of a truly vigilant self-governing people requires?"
Alan Keyes
“Firearms are a great equalizer. A 6'6" 300lb male attacker is no match for a 5'4" 120lb female victim who knows how to properly use a firearm.

I feel that anyone who thinks she should be [at] the mercy of such an attacker simply because they have an irrational fear of firearms is a sick and pathetic excuse for a human being.”
“[Klebold] and Harris, the Columbine shooters, were the exception that demonstrates the rule; they were not taught to use firearms within approved contexts by their parents and other adults, but instead developed a pathological, isolated relationship to weapons that mirrored their pathological, isolated lives. Their victims were not killed by the rural gun culture, but by its absence.”
Eric S. Raymond
“Speaking of torpedos, did you hear about the latest setback that the Palestinian Navy had with the development of a torpedo?

He's still learning how to swim. HAH!”
Laurence Simon
“Liberal persuasion consists of the highbrow sneer from self-satisfied snobs ladled out for people with a 40 IQ. This is not an ideology that can withstand several hours a day of caller scrutiny where their goofball notions can be shot down by any truck driver with a cell phone.”
Ann Coulter
“And so it is that European Socialists hate America for the same reason the Muslim extremists do: This isn't what The Prophet [Marx] said would happen. We were promised that we would win!”
Steven Den Beste
“When you guys get home and face an antiwar protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she’s dating a pussy.”
Commanding General, 1st Marine Division
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.”
Colonel Jeff Cooper
“When we surrender our responsibility, when we say we are not capable of facing the consequences of being allowed to smoke, or own a handgun, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or drink hot coffee, then we have gained nothing and given away all. There are people who will gladly assume our responsibility in order to have our freedom and our political power. It’s a buyers market.”
Bill Whittle in his online essay Responsibility
“Now that the ‘No War For Oil’ crowd has switched their chant to ‘Where Are The WMD's?’ I've a question for them:

‘So, Where's The Fucking Oil?’”
Martin Higgins
"Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy."
John Derbyshire
“A recently reprinted memoir by Frederick Douglass has footnotes explaining what words like "arraigned," "curried" and "exculpate" meant, and explaining who Job was. In other words, this man who was born a slave and never went to school educated himself to the point where his words now have to be explained to today's expensively under-educated generation.”
Thomas Sowell
“Looking back on my own life, this was all simply the mark of insecurity and ignorance. You think if you read one newspaper, wow, you are super-informed! Go ahead, form opinions on anything and everything based on that one source, because, by God, the press is Truth. If you also listen to NPR, you are even smarter and super-hyper-informed; you belong to a club of smug, self-important snobs who use the feedback they all get from each other to validate their supposedly enlightened world views.”
Jeff Brokaw
"If Karl Rove had labored for a decade to produce a walking parody of the contemporary Democratic Party’s remoteness, condescension, sense of entitlement, public evasiveness and tortured relationship with military matters, he couldn’t have improved on John F Kerry."
Mark Steyn
“Social Security is founded on the principle, that, because some people won't save for retirement, all must be punished.”
Frank J.
“Jane Fonda is the daughter of famous actor Henry Fonda, who is best known for his role in not giving Jane enough spankings as a child.”
Anyone who can compare the US Marine Corps with the German SS has obviously never had to deal with either.”
Bill Whittle
“On the bright side, at least liberals have finally found a group of people in Cuba whom they think deserve to be rescued.”
Ann Coulter, in her column regarding the terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay
Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."
Karl Rove

“Feminists are utter morons. Virtually everything they say is wrong.”
Steve H.

“After initially trying to stand by him, NBC was forced to fire [journalist Peter] Arnett after Americans erupted in fury at his traitorous comments on Saddam's state-run TV at the outset of the Iraq war. This is what liberals mean when they say the country has become "polarized." Now when they try to put traitors on air, Americans complain.”
Ann Coulter
"If you need to send something to hell, a shotgun is the most tried and true transportation available."
Frank J.
“I've never understood why Wal-Mart makes some people crazy, but it clearly does…. As I said when they interviewed me for this film…, I think there's a class issue: Wal-Mart is unavoidable evidence that the American working classes don't think, or live, the way the American thinking classes want to imagine. For this sin, Wal-Mart can never be forgiven.”
Glenn Reynolds
“We can have Democrats in leadership positions, or we can have the United States ... the one which has become the greatest civilization, and force for good, in all of history. We cannot have both."
Rodger Schultz
“To you Warren, and all the other [dupes] who use the It's American to raise questions about the war ... blah-blah-blah argument, no it is not. We had the debate. It lasted 18 months. Congress, and the American public demanded the war on Iraq, and I include Democrats. We are engaged.. American soldiers are there, we sent them, so STFU. Undercutting United States policy during a time of war is not patriotic, it is treason.
“The reason that people can't be trusted with drugs without stringent controls, is that they'll take them, injure themselves, then sue the drug company, the doctor, his practice, the pharmacist, and the pharmacy, and win multi-million-dollar judgements from juries that are just as ignorant as they are.

Basically, we have a choice. We can set up OUR ENTIRE CULTURE to function on personal responsibility, or we can base it on protecting people from their own stupidity. You can't have it both ways.”
Comment left by “Vaxalon” regarding the FDA’s ban on Cylert
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as

jsid-1153198425-517712  JPatterson at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:53:45 +0000

Guess I hit the limit on that last one. It should have read:

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."
Rep. Susanna Gratia Hupp of Texas

That enough? You asked for it! :)

jsid-1153203457-517717  Sarah at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:17:37 +0000

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis


The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. -- Albert Einstein


jsid-1153218248-517721  Cindi at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:24:08 +0000

"Dan Rostenkowski, standing next to the candidate in front of the
cameras and the cheering crowd at the convention after the fateful
speech, whispered to Mondale, "You've got a lot of balls, pal."
According to Rostenkowski, Mondale whispered back, "Look at 'em,
we're going to tax their ass off."

Walter Mondale, Democrat
"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you," she said at a fund-raiser for radical Sen. Barbara Boxer.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good," the former first lady admitted.

Hillary Clinton, Democrat
In a post-State of the Union speech in Buffalo, NY on January 20, 1999, Bill Clinton was asked why not a tax cut if we have a surplus. Clinton's response:
"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' "

Bill Clinton, Democrat

jsid-1153219518-517722  the pistolero at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:45:18 +0000

"If the Star Trek future represents a hope for our species at its most reasonable and open-minded best, it would be well to remember that the Enterprise carried a hell of a lot of photon torpedoes because the cause of human decency cannot be advanced if all the decent humans lie dead."
-- Bill Whittle
"To expect the government to save you is to be a bystander in your own fate."
--Mark Steyn

jsid-1153222097-517723  geekWithA.45 at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:28:17 +0000

Nor is the right involved in this discussion less
comprehensive or valuable: "The right of the people to bear arms
shall not be infringed;" The right of the whole people, old and
young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and hear
arms of every description, not merely as are used by the militia,
shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the
smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained:
the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally
necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that
any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and
void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our
forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked
sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688,
conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally
incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta! And Lexington,
Concord, Camden, River Raisin, Sandusky, and the laurel-crowned
field of New Orleans, plead eloquently for this interpretation!

Nunn v State (Georgia) 1846.

A fascinating element of this case is that a state supreme court believed itself bound to the federal 2nd amendment, PRIOR to the passage of the 14th. One of the many purposes of the 14th was to formalize this arrangement, but was subsequently subverted with the extra constitutional judicial teaching of "incorporation to the states".

jsid-1153228198-517728  Ed at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:09:58 +0000

Q: "What is best in life?"
A: "To crush your enimies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Conan the Barbarian

"A man with a full jar of peanut butter and toothless dog won't be lonely for long!"


jsid-1153233924-517740  DJ at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:45:24 +0000

"Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to education, the "right" to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle. There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -- P.J. O'Rourke

jsid-1153234382-517744  Jeff Dege at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:53:02 +0000

To allay these suspicions and to harness to its cart the strongest of all political motives - the craving for freedom - socialism began to increasingly to make use of the promise of a "new freedom". The coming of socialism was to be the leap from the realm of necessity to the real of freedom. It was to bring "economic freedom", without which the political freedom already gained was "not worth having". Only socialism was capable of effecting the consummation of the age-long struggle for freedom, in which the attainment of political freedom was but a first step.

The subtle change in meaning to which the word "freedom" was subjected in order that this argument should sound plausible is important. To the great apostles of political freedom the word had meant freedom from coercion, freedom from the arbitrary power of other men, release from the ties which left the individual no choice but obedience to the orders of a superior to whom he was attached. The new freedom promised, however, was to be freedom from necessity, release from the compulsion of circumstances which inevitably limit the range of choice of all of us, although for some very much more than others. Before man could be truly free, the "despotism of physical want" had to be broken, the "restraints of the economic system" relaxed.

Freedom in this sense is, of course, merely another name for power or wealth. Yet, although the promises of this new freedom were often coupled with irresponsible promises of a great increase in material wealth in a socialist society, it was not from such an absolute conquest of the niggardliness of nature that economic freedom was expected. What the promise really amounted to was that the great existing disparities in the range of choice were to disappear. The demand for the new freedom was thus only a new name for the old demand for an equal distribution of wealth. But the new name gave the socialists another word in common with the liberals, and the exploited it to the full. And, although the word was used in a different sense by the two groups, few people noticed this and still fewer asked themselves whether the two kinds of freedom promised could really be combined.

There can be no doubt that the promise of greater freedom has become one of the most effective weapons of socialist propaganda and that the belief that socialism would bring freedom is genuine and sincere. But this would only heighten the tragedy if it should prove that what was promised to us as the Road to Freedom was in fact the High Road to Servitude. Unquestioningly, the promise of more freedom was responsible for luring more and more liberals along the socialist road, for blinding them to the conflict which exists between the basic principles of socialism and liberalism, and for often enabling the socialists to usurp the very name of the old party of freedom. Socialism was embraced by the greater part of the intelligentsia as the apparent heir of the liberal tradition: therefore it is not surprising that to them the idea of socialism's leading to the opposite of liberty should appear inconceivable.

- F. A. Hayek, "The Road to Serfdom"

jsid-1153240350-517761  Gattsuru at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:32:30 +0000

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster

"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 U.S. murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" ~Andrew Ford

"The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's goodbye to the Bill of Rights." - unknown

jsid-1153241288-517762  staghounds at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:48:08 +0000

My quote has a picture attached, since I can't post a picture in these comments you can see it here:


jsid-1153241828-517764  lergnom at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:57:08 +0000

Tex's First Law of Government may be from Tex Texin at http://www.i18nguy.com, since he also has a Law of Disasters: Never ask someone living in a disaster area if it is safe to come.
However, I don't have a cite for it, just a WAG.

jsid-1153242332-517766  DFWMTX at Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:05:32 +0000

"Arms are honor. Slaves have neither." - Victor Arminius

jsid-1153323965-517850  Bruce at Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:46:05 +0000

Like my Momma always said, "Life is like a box of fucking morons."

- mAss Backwards - 7/19/06

"Sometimes I think it's the gyroscopic motion of all the dead patriots buried in Massachusetts spinning in their graves that keeps the planet aligned on its axis."

- mAss Backwards - 4/4/05

jsid-1153428480-517980  Rand. at Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:48:00 +0000

A little humor first:
First rule of advanced weapon testing:
Make a backup of _yourself_ before opening fire.
--Schlock Mercenary, August 10th, 2002

"give a man a fire he is warm for a day, light a man on fire and he is warm for
the rest of his life!"
--Terry Pratchet?

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as Freedom should not be highly rated. --Thomas Paine

"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which
our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."
-- Charles Austin Beard

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
-- President William Jefferson Clinton 5/29/93

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty.
--John F. Kennedy

2nd amendment:
"Expecting a carjacker or rapist or drug pusher to care that his possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
-- Joseph T. Chew

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest"
-- Mahatma Gandhi

(Apocryphal Hitler quote deleted by Siteowner. Sorry, but that one's not real.)

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. "The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
-- Sarah Brady July 1, 1988 (I'm not sure this one is real, either, but I'm not positive it isn't.)

"...ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
-- Heinrich Himmler (THAT one's real.)

Other quotes:

"Son, they can take your life, your property, and everyone you love from you. The only thing they cannot take is what you know. Therefore, learn everything you can, every time the opportunity presents."
-- Geek with a .45's Dad.

"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part." -- Eric "Otter" Stratton, _Animal_House_

Pixy's Law of Human/Computer Interaction

You can press escape all you like, but it won't do anything if the keyboard's not plugged in.
--Pixy Misa, http://ai.mu.nu/

Pixy's Law of Customisation

If you work with computers long enough, sooner or later you will find yourself adjusting a delicate and expensive piece of equipment with a pair of wire cutters.
--Pixy Misa, http://ai.mu.nu/

Death is just Nature’s way of saying ‘try again.’
--The Tick

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. --Doug McLeod

As read on IRC:
Edgey: I don't have a girlfriend...I just know a girl that would get really mad, if she heard me say that.

Skull: The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

haha, im taking this ethics certification thing online...they have the answers in the source code

‹Degskalle› There is no point in arguing with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

jsid-1153601868-518713  Oz at Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:57:48 +0000

Damn, Bruce, no fair quoting yourself.

jsid-1154908456-520873  Kim du Toit at Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:54:16 +0000

"Remember, the average self-defense shooting takes place at distances measured in feet, not yards. Recoil isn’t really a factor when you can set the sumbitch’s clothes on fire with the muzzle flash."

jsid-1154908522-520874  Kim du Toit at Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:55:22 +0000

"I’m all for Christian charity, but if you find that after you gave a tramp $10 for food / booze, he used it to buy gasoline to set fire to your car, perhaps it’s time to reconsider his next request for money."

jsid-1154908573-520875  Kim du Toit at Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:56:13 +0000

"Money sent to Third World countries seldom reaches the point of intent, or the point of greatest utility. Ditto the federal government."

jsid-1154908619-520876  Kim du Toit at Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:56:59 +0000

...and one last one:

"I used to look at Donks and their hangers-on (ie. journos and academics) with contempt. Now I just want to use them for bayonet practice."

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